The strength of steel is a function of TEMPERATURE, not HEAT.
Higher temperature fires will make steel weaker than lower temperature fires that burn longer.
Buy a clue.
Thermobarics use an explosion to ignite fuel, often metallic fuel such as aluminum. The burning fuel creates a slower and more sustained shock wave than a conventional explosion, which makes it better at breaking down walls and destroying people and equipment, Burky said.
|Explosions, because it was really loud, when the buildings fell. Every sensible person would've expected them to collapse in dead silence.|
|The eyewitnesses heard loud sounds, but since not one valid shred of evidence for the presence of any explosives anywhere in the WTC complex was ever found, those loud sounds could not have been explosives.|
|James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST's investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.|
|By way of Daimnation, here’s now ex-Truther Mike Metzger explaining why he has left the 9-11 Truther brigades.|
I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-”experts.” What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you’d see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual “facts” movies like Loose Change presented.
Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me… facts agreed upon by the experts.
There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to “hey, we’re just asking questions” if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone’s supposed to take their word over an expert’s?
Read the whole, destructive, brilliant thing. He slams the Truther notion that FDNY firefighters could be involved and pretty much makes hash of the whole movement. Facts can reach even the most ardent Truthers, if those Truthers have any honesty about them at all (so no, there’s really no hope for Rosie O or Alex Jones). It’s clear that Mike Metzger in an honest man who has realized he made an error and wants to correct it.
Now, I happen to think that there are signs here and there that others within the core of the Truth movement are having second thoughts. Or, at the very least, that they realize that they’re losing ground on the factual arguments.
I’ve been saving this clip for a while now. It’s from the History Channel’s 9-11 Conspiracy Theories: Fact or Fiction documentary that aired a while back. In this clip, pay attention to what the Loose Change producers are really saying about two of their core Truther theories.
The Loose Change boys have given up on the faked cell phone calls theory and the controlled demolition of the WTC 1 & 2 theory. Those are two rather significant theories to just quietly give up on. They’re tacitly acknowledging that they have lost the debate on those two points and that the experts have won, so they are now switching to theories that haven’t been debunked as thoroughly. How long before division over interpretation or how much to emphasize one theory over another splits these boys up like the Palestinian factions in The Life of Brian?
The highest level reached by a firefighter in the North Tower is believed to have been the 65th floor. The firefighter, believed to be a member of Ladder Company 3, radioed, at an unspecified time, that a partial collapse had occurred on one of the floors in the 60s. Eyewitness accounts place multiple firefighters between the 40th and 50th floors, but the bulk of the firefighting contingent never made it past the 35th floor. About 45 minutes into the operation, several firefighters on the 20th floor, carrying standpipe packs up the stairs, reported chest pains.
|Anyone that has heard steel undergo catastrophic brittle failure will tell you that it sounds like gun shots, or an explosion.|
I don't care to go into detail of the physics as to why this should be so
|September 12, 2001 [People]|
New York City
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers.
On the last trip up a bomb went off.
We think there was bombs set in the building.
"The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street.
There were explosions going off everywhere.
I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place
and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons.
I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it.
I ended up on Vesey Street.
There was another explosion.
I didn't know where to run."
[Teresa Veliz, who escaped from the 47th floor of the North Tower, September 11: An Oral History, Dean E. Murphy, 2002, pp. 9-15]
"We just heard another explosion. There handing out gloves and masks.
The consensus is, it's too unsafe to go in there"
- CNN video, 911 live. (Mark Heath, Beth Israel Ambulance)
At 10.30 I tried to leave the building, but as soon as I got outside,
I heard a 2nd explosion, and another rumble, and more smoke, and more dust. I ran inside the buildings, the chandeliers shook, and again, black smoke filled the air. Within another 5 minutes we were covered again with more silt and more dust. And then a fire Marshall came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a 3rd explosion, this building might not last.
MSNBC reporter (Ann Thompson?) live, 911
"It's now the base of the World Trade Center, there seems to be now a second area there of smoke, so perhaps indicating that some sort of fire or explosion there..."
"They won't let me go any closer. No-one can go in and get the people out.
There's small explosions still going on."
"We started walking down to the eighth floor.
Big Explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor."