Hello, Everybody, Mind, and Spirit!
: Thanks for your kind words above (September 5); and that reminded me of my reading of an account on a “battle of wits” interview that Richard Dawkins accorded in the early 1990s, in which he was totally stunted in silence, for minutes, in front of a rolling camera; as he was unable to answer or philosophize the origin of the genetic information (Gi) question, that he was quested by an alleged “creationist disguised as a Science reporter.”
I first recalled this Dawkins vs. creationists interview here Re: Newly discovered gene holds clues to evolution of human brain capacity
(PhysOrgEU; August 20), as I still can’t locate the initial source of such a report—probably in the early (now out of print) issues of Skeptic magazine, or the like—however Readers
, please feel free to help me identify the source, if you had had also read that report, or seen a film clip of such Dawkins interview with the alleged creationists, before. Thank you.
Epistemologically, the Gi question is very fundamental, especially in these days of our intensive-extensive search for Life in extraterrestrial existence, scientifically and astro-biologically. The fact that Dawkins couldn’t answer the Gi question—even nowadays—revealed volumes about his scholarship and ethological training, that he was indeed not well grounded in Genetics and Biochemistry. That’s why the main thrust of The Selfish Gene (1976) was a metaphysics at best, in which Dawkins has had misread and mistranslated the Natural Selection (NS) of Darwinism into his selfish genetic Determinism—or Evolutionism: a Scientism that he has had likened the genes as a stack of cards which would be shuffled, selective, and replicate at will, thus he dubbed The Selfish Gene (SG)—and further mistranslated genes (by means of wordplay) into memes (or units as defined by SG of our emotionless, mindless cultural traits including Religions, etc): a theory of memetics or Consciousness, that he has had determinedly been trying to build on his now a stack of SG or “house of cards” metaphysical Evolutionism—please also see Consciousness and Special Relativity?
(PhysOrgEU; August 18).
Recently, I was further alarmed by the fact that Dawkins has had used this “house of cards” theory in an attempt to uproot and/or unseat the ailing “house of faiths” in The Root of all Evil?
, in the British TV broadcast (in 2 parts), proving the fact Dawkins has had indeed become an aggressive “atheist without conscience”—for his disrespect for the Conscience of Religions—and revealed himself as the Oxford’s “Emperor in Darwinism who has no clothes”—for his persistently mistranslating Darwinism into Evolutionism; and now into anti-Religionism—in a way he thought he might be championing the Conscience of Science where Religions have failed into the 21st century?!Chance and Evolution of the Gi or “Chemical Intelligence” on Earth
: While returning to our discussion at hand, by “chance” I would mean that things are and have been happening all along with the history of our unique planet Earth since its Evolution over 4 billion years ago. Conceptually, and Darwinism (NS) and Evolutionism (neo-Darwinism or SG) notwithstanding, the Gi question must be understood, perceived, and theorized within the context of modern Geochemistry, Cosmology, Biochemistry, Molecular Biology, Genetics, etc—an interdisciplinary Science and metacognitive Philosophy or Epistemology that most well-trained, specialized scientists or philosophers including neo-Darwinists, Dawkins, lack since the 1970s.
As such, especially by Geochemistry, Biochemistry, and Cosmology, the Evolution of the Gi on Earth, had had been straddled between the pre-biotic, inorganic, organic, and biotic terra formation and the Evolution of Biogenesis over 3 billion years ago, particularly at a time when all the active, interactive, reactive, and creative geo-chemicals, elements, compounds, molecules, macromolecules, etc, had had accrued, coalesced prevailingly in the then fertile, primordial seas of Life, by the virtues of the 2 key properties or “chemical intelligence” inherent in each of these geo-biochemical entities: the intrinsic chemical propensity and the extrinsic chemical reactivity or opportunity (please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 2 The Universal Elements of Life).
By chance and opportunity, during the planetary atmospheric formation, by geo-chemical interactions, permutations, etc, the macromolecules containing the Gi, such as, the DNA, RNA, proteins, etc, began to accrue, form, reform, and evolve rapidly and competitively in the then primordial soups of Life. Because of their inherent chemical properties, intelligence, and competitive permutations, the Gi was eventually coded within the macromolecules of DNA, as well as RNA—an intermediary decoder of amino acids that would become the building units of a protein, enzymes, etc; all materials essential to the Evolution and survival of a cell, eventually organisms, etc.
Furthermore, and specifically, by electro-hydrochemistry, permutations, etc, these cells or eukaryotes containing the Gi in their nuclei, had had assembled; and their DNA further protected, encased by a layer of membrane: which by structure, permeable only to water, electrolytes, nutrients, essentials for the cellular survival, in the then evermore competitive seas of Life—evolving and multiplying increasingly thereof and thereon in Life complexity and diversity on Earth (please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 3 The Physicochemical Basis of Life).
As such, biochemically, the Gi did establish the origin of species—as you argued above—over 3 billion years ago on Earth. However, I would not weigh too heavily on the 1969 textbook Biochemical Predestination, as it is now long outdated and was written by Dean Kenyon
; who is not a geneticist or biochemist; but a physicist-biophysicist by training, turned creationist, and now ID neocreationist! While very personal, I would recommend you scrutinize the renowned US medical geneticist-Christian, Francis Collins bestseller The Language of God (2006), on how he has had reconciled his faith and Evolution.Darwinism (NS) vs. Evolutionism (SG); Chance vs. Reality; Design vs. Genetics
: As we discussed before, Evolution is a multidisciplinary and epistemological subject, that has been in hot debates since the publication of The Origin of Species (1859). Darwinism as derived from his hard taxonomy of species only represents the tip of this Evolution iceberg, so to speak. Your question of the Gi as the origin of species is the physicochemical basis of Life; and therefore, your quest is at the very base of this Evolution iceberg—a query to the beginning of Biogenesis or Evolution of Life on Earth!—a deep epistemological as well as spiritual question, that even Dawkins has had failed to imagine or explore at this Evolution base; but he only resorted to misreading and mistranslating Darwinism (NS) into Evolutionism (SG), as propagated in The Selfish Gene (1976), the book that I have had analyzed above, and elsewhere, as a genetic Determinism; and as a “house of cards” theory of memetics—all Scientism that has had now turned into anti-Religionism of the “atheists without conscience” politics!
Today, we (as epistemologically educated scientists, philosophers, intellectuals alike) would not claim that everything happens by Chance; this is because, and as far as we know and appreciate, that all things on Earth are now interconnected to each other, directly and/or indirectly. In Reality, Life as a Unity has had evolved to beget Life—by reproduction or replication only today—and all organisms (dead or alive) would recycle in and by our network of vital food chains, and eventually be reincorporated into the Great Cycle of Elements on Earth, or dust to dust, so to speak, religiously. The conditions for the spontaneous Biogenesis eons ago had long passed, especially for the Chance and Evolution of any new, “naïve or virgin” Gi to be feasible or like those Gi of what had had occurred over 3 billion years ago, as we discussed above, and more in my 2006 book Gods, Genes, Conscience
Furthermore, Evolution as a process does not cause Design or Intelligence in itself; whereas Design and Intelligence are actually caused by the chemical reactivity, selectivity, and specificity of Life elemental entities themselves: particularly whose intrinsic chemical propensities, when interacting with propensities of other biochemical entities, would chemically and opportunistically sort and form their each unique configurations that would appear to have had been designed—in and by anyone’s eye, if one has had not fully comprehended these 2 intrinsic and extrinsic forces, that are at work within the process of Evolution of any STEM matrices (of space, time, energy, and matter entities) in the Universe above and beyond, as well as on Earth (please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 2 The Universal Elements of Life; and Chapter 3 The Physicochemical Basis of Life)—an observation in the 19th century that Darwin described as speciation by NS (a misnomer now that we have discussed before); whereas Dawkins has had further dogmatically translated NS to the genetic level as SG in his 1976 book The Selfish Gene!
Quantum mechanically, and specifically by Electrochemistry, and by the dynamic chemical propensities for binary configuration and bilateral symmetry, a Hydrogen atom, when appropriately bonded with 2 Oxygen atoms, would always give rise to water, ice, snowflake, or vapor, depending on their each immediate surrounding atmospheric conditions, such as, the temperatures in our Earth’s Biosphere. Because of this Evolution of chemical forces and dynamics, even in the inorganic formation of snow, no 2 snowflakes would be created identically, within the context of the STEM matrix. Whereas in Life organisms, the appearance (or phenotype) of each organism, would be caused and influenced by the surrounding and interacting chemicals, nutrients, etc, which are present at the time of their each unique genetic expression (or genotype)—for more specific examples, including the Evolution of human beings, please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 3 The Physicochemical Basis of Life; and Chapter 4 The Human Life, Mind, Dreams, Intelligence, and Conscience.
Thus, the spontaneous generation of Gi—as that you queried above; and one that occurred over 3 billion years ago on Earth; and now contained in the genotype of each unique Life organism—had had given rise to the phenotype of that specific organism, as expressed in the unique pattern of its exterior characteristics, which would appear to have been designed, by any uncritical and/or unscientific observers, especially the ID neocreationists of today since the 1990s. Furthermore, because of its intrinsic and extrinsic biochemistry, as you’ve had quested above, Life can and will exhibit a wide range of complexity and diversity; for as long as our dynamic Biosphere continues to persist on Earth, and as long as our dynamic Solar System permits, within our constantly swirling Milky Way Galaxy above and beyond (please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 2.1 The Universe, Galaxies, the Sun, Moon, and Earth; and Chapter 3.6 The Diversity of Life).
Specifically, if any Intelligent Designer were to have had involved in our genotype Evolution and phenotype expression, we human beings—or organisms of any species—would all have had been born identical: like any series of the Fords, or Toyotas, or robots, rolling out of their each factory assembly lines, with all component serial parts designed, constructed, molded, cast, assembled; all devoid of any molecular variation or autonomous speciation inherent in Life Genetics and Biochemistry.
And above all, if ID were indeed involved in Nature, Darwin would not have had spent over 20 years to analyze, agonize, and theorize his then vast taxonomic collections, observations, and variations of organisms in Nature, that he had had described in The Origin of Species!
Or, even more intuitively and creatively, and by our own human nature: especially in Religions, literature, and the arts, we would not have had heard of any creation narratives, fairy tales, stories, imageries, etc, such as, the cave paintings of Lascaux (France); the Epic of Gilgamesh; the Torah; Bhagavad Gita (Hindu); Dao De Jing (Daoism); Iliad and Odyssey; the Bible; the Koran; etc—constituting all intuitions, imaginations, creations, dreams, memories, visions (real and imagined) of our electrochemically dynamic Mind, or psyche, in and throughout our history; especially as a result of the Evolution of our humankind on this unique planet Earth, since over 50 thousand years ago, at a time when our ancestors had had just begun to artistically (emotionally) acquire, invent, use, misuse, and/or abuse varied survival symbolisms, mysticisms, spiritualisms, shamanisms, religionisms, etc of our own creations; for our own survival and survivorship in the then still incomprehensible worlds, both the physical and the psychical (please see Gods, Genes, Conscience
; Chapter 5 The Origins of Gods; Chapter 6 The Meaning of Life; and Chapter 15 The Universal Theory of Mind)!
: Your September 8 post above sounds like you have had been taking up a creationist position all along: which is to deny Evolution as a theory and a fact!
[After scrutinizing my response to your September 5 post above, I hope you will begin to see that all the facts of Evolution are laying around us, quantum mechanically written in the Genetics and Biochemistry of all Life species on Earth; showing that Evolution as a theory, has had been too elaborated and proven beyond any doubt, by our modern interdisciplinary Science and metacognitive Epistemology, which has now been way beyond Darwin’s original imagination and vision in the 19th century; at which time he was only be able to work and theorize on Life specimens that he had had collected at and from the tip of the Evolution iceberg, so to speak; and as I analyzed, analogized, and emphasized what a magnificence-significance of the Evolution theory, that it is, and has been above, ever since the publication of Darwin’s opus magnum The Origin of Species!
[So, beware of the iceberg (Evolution), it would sink more Titanics, such as, pseudoscience, superstitions, metaphysics, creationism, ID neocreationism, and the likes. What Darwin saw and analyzed, was only at and by the tip of this iceberg; that’s why he was a Titan in our modern Life Science (or Natural Philosophy); and not became a Titanic himself later, as Alfred Wallace did, at the turn of the 20th century!
[If you’re truly interested in modern Epistemology, why did you keep banging your head on this tip (NS) of the Evolution iceberg? Pursuing philosophy in an irrational manner, as in a clear self-denial of Evolution as a theory and a fact nowadays, is to reveal oneself in one’s own counter intellectual and spiritual propensity for Creationism; and that would be detrimental to general Epistemology indeed.
[Nonetheless, good luck to your Epistemology, which should also include the discussions that our dynamic Readers
herein have had in another relevant thread that I started earlier Let's begin the Dialogue and Reconciliation of Science and Religion Now!
(PhysOrgEU; May 5). Thank you for your consideration and meaningful discussion herein, and/or therein!]
Thank you all for your kind attention and cooperation in this matter. Happy reading, thinking, scrutinizing, and enlightening!
Best wishes, Mong 9/10/6usct2:19p; author Gods, Genes, Conscience
and Gods, Genes, Conscience: Global Dialogues Now
; a cyberspace hermit-philosopher of Modern Mind, whose works are based on the current advances in interdisciplinary science and integrative psychology of Science and Religion worldwide; ethically, morally; metacognitively, and objectively.